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I have Buster he is a 5 month old baby boy. He is Pure Bred but I have no papers and a few people have approached me about breeding him. I am a little leery about it because I know nothing about breeding dogs. The only stories I have heard are bad ones that usually involve Pits and I want no part of any thing of that nature. So I guess what I am looking for is info and maybe so dos and donts. Thanks for the input

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The Odd Couple

Hey TC

Your Buster and his little pal are just too cute.

Well, we can all get a little excited on here re the subject of breeding. Steve and I made the conscious decision to have Hux and Bloss spayed as soon as they were old enough. They both came from a great breeder with papers. They are both happy and healthy but have both had entropian surgery so even if they weren't related and came with no breed endorsements we still wouldn't have bred with them. Buster is of course far too young to breed with at the moment anyhow but his skin issues may be something to consider also.

I feel (and this is of course my view only), that dogs should only be bred for the betterment, ie, health and temperament. I can't think of anything more gorgeous than having a houseful of fat pei-pups but there are too many abused, abandoned and ill peis already looking for homes so we have chosen to leave it to the experts (many of which are on here). I would really question anyone that approached you about breeding (especially without papers), they may be more interested in making a fast buck that healthy, happy pups with good temperaments.

Get Buster into the vet for the old 'snip-snip' when he's old enough, it certainly calmed out Hux down, no more stressing about all those Sexy Hormones he had to deal with and he turned into a 'Cuddle
Monster'.

Have a search on some of the breeding threads that have been posted on the forum recently, they make for very informed reading.

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Meanwhile, give Buster and big kiss on that fat nose of his.

Amanda, Huxley and Blossom

I would agree with Amanda. With no papers, therefore no hereditary research can be done and no experience on your part, IMO I would give it a big miss

Even the most experienced breeders can have problems but they are likely to know how to deal with them

The breed is not at its best healthwise, so serious consideration must be given and also with so many in rescue, even with registration, to possibly add to that with unregistered dogs, would be nonsensical

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Friends are the family we choose for ourselves

If you can't search a pedigree back 6 generations on both male and female and come up with no FSF/A or health problems..Which you can not..Then you should not breed...You have to be very very careful if someome wants to use your dog as a stud dog and they know nothing about him ..Most likely its for money and the puppies always suffer.

This is no way to do any breeding.
You do not breed dogs with problems...

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Considering that he has an ongoing, unexplained skin issue, I believe breeding him would be very irresponsible.
Breeding should be left up to those individuals who have a great deal of knowledge and do all the proper testing to isolate healthy breed and help eliminate further genetic problems.
Over-breeding by irresponsible, well meaning or not, has led to a greater amount of problems within the breed. This has done nothing to help the breed whatsoever, and only exasperates more of the genetic problems already expericed with the breed.

Just my opinion. Love your little guy, he's a cutie!

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Reece & Hershey

Although I'm not a breeder, I agree, there are to many problems in the breed without proper research,to take a chance-If you wish to become a breeder, then do research, find a mentor and learn.

enjoy your peiby as a neutered pet, i know it can be tempting to consider breeding him, but i agree with the advice above.

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Lots of good advice here.

I would add this (in addition to the many other reasons not to breed your Pei)...it is hard work, messy, expensive, frustrating, etc. to breed.

Why do I do it???? Because I am obviously an insane masochist.

Do yourself a favor. Neuter your dog, enjoy him as a great companion and save your sanity (and your $$, your carpeting, your furniture, etc).....trust me on this.

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Blessing's CSP
http://blessingssharpei.com

I had really no urge to breed him at all because of the health problems and the things that I had read about people that just breed for a quick buck and the dog fighting is a huge issue around here, especially the closer you get towards Chicago. I was just mostly wondering why someone would want to breed with Buster, I mean don't get me wrong he is a very handsome stud that any female would be lucky to get her paws on, he takes after me lol, but even after I explained the skin issues and the fact that he was due for his eye surgery and getting fixed all at the same time two separate guys were scarily over anxious to offer me money not to get him fixed. I mean one guys was down right trying to bully me, I am a rather large fellow so I am not really intimidated by many, but wow this guy wouldn't stop he followed me home and called me about 30 times in 2 days and offered me 500$ not to get him fixed. It actually got to the point where I had to get the peacemaker from the safe and tell him if he bothered my family, my pup, or me again I would .... well lets just say he left and I haven't heard from him since. The reason I did post this question was just out of curiosity why someone would try to breed pups with health problems to cause more health problems. I guess I wanted to believe that maybe there were people out there that were interested in doing something beneficial for the pups and I am sure you guys and gals are out there just not around here apparently. Thanks for all the input, everyone on here is great you guys are all polite and eager to help which is awesome

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The Odd Couple

Quick Buck would be my guess-I'd make sure I kept a close eye on your Dog-I'd be afraid someone like that could steal him!That would scare the h*$$ out of me.

TC - Good for you for saying 'no' to this guy. The fact that he was desperate to breed after you spoke of entropian and skin issues tells you everything you need to know - he's an idiot looking to make cash. Keep a close eye on your baby and get him in for the snip as soon as the vet will take him.

Good for you

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Friends are the family we choose for ourselves

well not here i dont breed without seeing a pedigree first thing and i am breeding for health and long life. So i just dont breed with just anybody lol

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Boy Jan you are not kidding about that last sentence you wrote.

I am only saying what the voices in my head TELL me to say.....hehehehe

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Blessing's CSP
http://blessingssharpei.com

I agree with what the members told you, of course.
Let the breeding to people who are professionals, who check the pedigree of the dogs, the genetics diseases, etc...

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We were asked by our breeder if we could leave our Cooper unaltered for showing and possible breeding but decided against it. We got Cooper to be a companion - there would really be little benefit to us to show or breed him.

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Cooper

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I vote no on the breeding. This breed has gone from being on the brim of extinction to mass over population. You can find just about any mix of Pei and its very sad. I cannot tell you how many Pei's I see on Petfinder. Please don't contribute to the problems that hobby breeding can have. There are 5 Pei Rescue groups on my immediate area, and no shortage of Pei's that need homes.

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because sometimes the dog saves you...thanks Hunter.

TC, breeding YOUR dog is a bad idea. Not only for the reasons others have stated re: papers and health history. But once you open the barn door... your boy will remember forever. He may develop behaviors that are obnoxious -marking, aggression over girls. Breeders are accustomed to dealing with this stuff - most pet owners regret having to deal with these behaviors once that barn door has been opened.

I've got a few litters under my belt - not 'pei, not a 'pei breeder. Before I got into my current breed (frenchies) I raised 2 litters of APBT -American Pit Bull Terriers. Let me say I don't have what it takes to be a top APBT breeder -I don't have what it takes to obtain the working titles the breed needs to qualify to be bred. But back in my ignorance when I raised those litters, those precious babies, I screened the living daylights out of any one who applied for one. There were many bad people who tried to trick me into selling them a pup. The last pittie pup I placed was 9 months old - I held on to all my pups until the perfect fit came along for that particular pup. It was hard - puppies eat and need exercise and training. I see many well intentioned pit bull breeder-wannabe's (wanna be because again, it takes so much to do pit bulls right) who once the stakes are raised with feed and vetting and training bail on their pups and drop the price to move them, place them with anyone who wants one just because they can no longer support having so many dogs. And then the real horror stories begin - they learn their precious pups are being abused, or used to abuse other dogs. That is my fear for you - your 'grand pups' would be used to abuse or to be abused. I don't raise pit bulls any longer, though I do have an 11 old lady from my last litter. I tell you I sleep much easier at night, knowing all of the babies I so carefully raised and loved and nutured were never at risk of abuse due to my careful screening of their homes.

Sorry the thugs are pressuring you -your boy must appear very imposing! Kudos for sticking to your guns!

I've gotten stopped when walking my pei. People want to know if I will be breeding them (no, and I make sure they know that the three pei are neutered and spay in case they get any ideas). Just last week a fellow pulled up beside me in his car and asked if I had any puppies, was I breeding etc. I told him the usual and then he said could he buy one of mine? I pushed the pei behind me and took a step forward. NO, these are not for sale. I suggested that he contact a rescue but he didn't look too interested. Jeesh!

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Toni- Cosmo, Pei-le and Kaïa's mom

I have to agree that breeding a dog w/o papers and w/ skin issues is a BAD idea. I have a show quality dog (and Luna's breeder supported me breeding her), that we decided to spay. I did a LOT of research online on breeding/puppies, etc. and decided that it just wasn't for me.

Aside from all of the possible problems that could happen (and costs that could go with, ie. if she needed a C-Section or there were issues w/ the pups), and aside from all the work involved in caring for the pups for 8+ weeks, I was especially nervous about finding GOOD homes for puppies/not being stuck with extra puppies and the lifelong responsiblity to those puppies. I am SO thankful that I bought Luna from a really good breeder who I keep in contact with, but I do not envy her job!

I really think anyone who is deciding to breed for the first time needs to do what I did: talk to your breeder about it, find out EVERYTHING that is involved. I realize this may be a lot simpler for the male, but really if you know your dog is not the cream of the crop, then why would you want to breed?