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Its been slowly creeping up from 103 to 103.8 in about two hours. She can't walk on her back leg. I gave her metacam and we have ice packs on her belly and are putting alcohol on the pads of her feet. any other suggestions? of course i would go back to the vet if we need to, but it cost us over 1000.00 last time and if the insurance company decides she has shar pei fever they won't cover anything. help.


today is miles' 2nd birthday. this sucks.

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Mandy, Tugg and Circe

Miles "Forever Loved" 9/24/07-01/31/11

Oh Mandy, I'm sorry that Circe is fevering again... and on Miles Birthday? What you are doing should work but may take time.

Has Vet prescribed Colchicine yet? Or would this be considered a diagnosis? Since Lita's remedies do not have to be prescribed maybe this would be the best solution for Circe (at least for now.) The vet doesn't need to know that you are giving her this remedy so... Get my drift? Anyway keep us posted. Hope Circe feels better quickly. Happy Birthday Miles! Sorry your sister is feeling poorly on your Birthday.

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Jeanne & Fu

i'm sorry Circe is fevering, sabrina is having an episode too i gave her baby aspirin and fluids. she's resting now. i hope circe feels better soon.

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Sorry your pei isn't well today! Happy Birthday to Miles! Sorry you can't celebrate today- But soon!

Have you given her some aspirin? That and rest was the only thing that helped Cotton.



Happy birthday Miles! Just don't give him any birthday cookies in the middle of the kitchen floor!

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Mackenzie & Cotton

No need to go to the vet, you are just as able to take care of her as they are at this point. I would giver her a big dose of MSF (1500-2000mgs) plus the asprin, and then just monitor her temp. You can also put cold washcloths on her groin, which is where the largest blood vessels are.

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MJ it sounds like you have it covered. Fever episodes usually can be managed at home unless they get extreme (temps 106 or above or extended episodes)....I know that she had a bad one last time but such isn't the norm and since you are on top of it already likely she will get thru it fine.

Definitely time to seriously consider starting an FSF treatment protocol though.

Hang in there, keep up the good work and keep us updated.

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Blessing's CSP
http://blessingssharpei.com

Happy birthday to Miles

Can I ask the significance of putting alcohol on the pads?

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Friends are the family we choose for ourselves

Jeanne, the vet did not give her a diagnosis yet, but we started colchicine a week ago. He wrote a script and I filled it at target. She is on a low dose as we are titrating it up slowly. She is already on fish oil and msm and we are adding in dr. Tintle's other reccomendatios in slowly to make sure no individual one upsets her stomach.

After being wrapped in frozen vegetables and spending the day in a very cold air condintioned room, she is at 102.1. the swelling in her hock is gone and she is up and moving around. Luckily she is usually so active and happy, I can tell right away when there is something wrong. We will probablly give her more metacam tomorrow. She isn't drinking so I may go get a syringe and some pedialyte. I wonder is it possible for a layman to learn how to give sub-q fluids?



Edit. She is back to 102.8. I gave a 50 lb. dose of metacam. Can I still give aspirin?


The alcohol on the pads evaporates really quickly and cools them, like extra sweat.

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Mandy, Tugg and Circe

Miles "Forever Loved" 9/24/07-01/31/11

O.K! It's good that you started a protocol already. It's probably too soon to see any difference in her fevering at this time. I don't know how the insurance thing works so I hope that Circe will remain covered. Are prescriptions covered by the insurance also? There are not too many illnesses that would call for Colchicine so I hope that they do not put 2 and 2 together and decide not to cover her care anymore.

Giving sub-Q fluids is really pretty easy and your Vet can show you in just a few minutes. It sounds like she is doing better though and it still may be a day or so before she is back to her old self. You can try to give her some chicken broth to keep her hydrated but she will probably feel better soon and not need any sub-Q fluids. Just make sure that when she eats something that it is really soaked in broth or water so that she gets some fluids in her. As long as she is not vomiting or doesn't have diarrhea she should be able to go a day without eating or drinking. I'm glad her fever is down as that is a good sign!

I know it's scary to see them so sick! Hang in there! I'm sure she will be back to her normal self very soon. You did a great job!

No, don't give her aspirin with metacam! Just keep her cool until you can give her another dose of Metacam.

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Jeanne & Fu

Oh I forgot! Happy Birthday Miles!!!

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Blessing's CSP
http://blessingssharpei.com

Well, her fever has been slowly creeping up again. She's at 104.2 now. I have an ice pack on her groin and the ac is cranked up. I gave her some pedialyte, but she wouldn't eat any dinner. I'm afraid to go to sleep in case in keeps going up.

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Mandy, Tugg and Circe

Miles "Forever Loved" 9/24/07-01/31/11

honestly i don't even know much about this disorder cause none of my pei's have had it.... but just wanted you to know that my prayers are with you..... and you are doing a great job...... she's lucky to have such a good mommy.

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It's 104.7 now. I gave her metacam yesterday morning. Do I really have to wait a fill 24 hours to give more?

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Mandy, Tugg and Circe

Miles "Forever Loved" 9/24/07-01/31/11

Oh Mandy............I am so sorry to hear Circe is fevering again. I know how worried you are but sounds as though you are doing all you can at this time. Hope you get the temp down again and can get some rest. Please keep us posted.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MILES!!!!!!!!!!!

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LIBBY, SAVANNAH AND SCARLETT

Wish you the best,this episode could be different, as to the colchine has just been started.Your giving metcam in leu of asprin ,keeping her cool ,that all you can really do.Unless her fever goes too high -I would consider bath if it gets to high, But your doing everything you can right now. Vet really can't do anything with exception of fluids- Actually I watched something whether it was here or some place else and subQ fluids look quite easy -you may want to be ready for next time! If she is drinking and fever doesn't get outrageous -your in the clear as far as sub-Q . If I can find the website I actually read you can enema the fluids quickly as well - It was on a Parvo website I was reading,supposedly the better method, I don't know.I'll try to look it up and send it to you for opin.

Can you get her to drink some broth or eat ice right now ? She needs to bring fever down, is the metacam only every 24hrs?What is the dose or mg? Her body weight?Looks like it could be a long evening- Fevers always in KIds seem to go up when the sun goes down.Continue icing her down and keeping her in air-Maybe the metcam takes a while to work.I check it out.

Mandy read the 7th paragraph (the last I think) and see if that answers your question.

http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/pets-accessorie ... m/1009760/

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LIBBY, SAVANNAH AND SCARLETT

I am going to wonder outloud and perhaps others can give their opin -As I read Metcam It is first an anti-inflammatory, second pain and third fever. It works by reducing hormones that cause pain. (NSAID)that being said as someone who was on Celebrex , and more I can tell you those work over a period of weeks , months ---not on a daily basis---So I would question the metcam for fever-Remember I don't know much! So you can't make a decision based on what I say! But I wonder whether Asprin isn't superior for fever(It is in humans-feverfew ,the herb is good as well)I don't doubt that it works for the inflamation,pain but many NSAID have to be in our body for a period of time to be effective? I guess my question is in the short term can you add asprin to metcam ?Or would you be better off with asprin for fever?

I am almost certain you cannot give asprin w/ Metacam Sassy. I always used buffered asprin when my pei Peaches fevered..........not metacam as that is what my vet recommended. That was 8 yrs. ago............she had FSF.

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LIBBY, SAVANNAH AND SCARLETT

Here is the answer to that Sassy. Read #3.

http://www.thinkmetacam.com/index.php/FAQs-Pet-Owners

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LIBBY, SAVANNAH AND SCARLETT

Here is a link about Buffered asprin for use in dogs.

http://www.cocothebloggingdog.com/2009/ ... pirin.html

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LIBBY, SAVANNAH AND SCARLETT

She is at 105.7 this morning. It's 6 am. I just gave more metacam. What else can I do? Should I put her int bath? Baths are so stressful for her. Will it make her worse?

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Mandy, Tugg and Circe

Miles "Forever Loved" 9/24/07-01/31/11

I'm sorry Circe is still fevering..I know it's a huge worry I don't know about the metacam...but it would seem to me once every 24 hours isn't enough medicine for an active fever? This is me guessing! I guess I would consider asking the vet if perhaps buffered aspirin would be better during an actual fever episode? Or ? Just wondering because aspirin can be given every 6-8 hrs instead of every 24 and it's an NSAID too. Something to ask the vet perhaps.

I also wonder about the homeopathic remedies. Is it safe to give say...the fever remedy on top of metacam? On top of aspirin? Just at the tail end of the other's wearing off when they don't seem to be working any more, but it's not quite time for the new dose? Does anyone here have experience in that? Not something to ask the vet since we don't know what is in it that may interact improperly. I know Lita checks in here every so often, maybe she'll see this and have a response? I do know the PGE2/Bone&Pain is fantastic at bringing a fever down, and dang fast, although you have to give it very often -- if you're not sleeping because you're scared you'll wake up to disaster, might as well be giving meds in the process lol.

I totally understand that being afraid to go to sleep..Molly's last two fevers were rough ones like Circe is having, and I was just afraid of the consequences if I DID go to sleep..I'd set my alarm for 2 hrs and get up with her again...then another 2 hrs after giving more fluids, temp check, a trip outside (it hurts her as much to go in the house as the fever does, she gets all frantic, so outs every 2 hrs is part of our treatment plan -- I think she's able to relax better that way)

Hang in there, hugs and healing wishes coming your and Circe's way....

~Yira

She's now at 103, so i guess the metacam ahs kicked in again. My understanding was that Lita's remedies were for long term treatment, not for acute episodes. If someone knows differently, I would appreciate the info.

When she had her last fever, she peaked up very high again early in the morning. Since her fevers (so far) seem to have a pattern of staying low thorughout the first 12 hours, maybe I should delay meds until she reaches something like 103 or 104 so that it can have its peak action during the peak time of the fever episode. Yirabeth, do you give sub q fluids too? I texted a friend of mine who is a vet tech and she said she'd be willing to teach me.

Jeanne, you orignally asked me about insurance and the meds. The colchicine is only 6 bucks a month at target, so i don't submit it. it's not worth it. last time at the vet, her diagnosis was fever of unknown origin and they gave her antibiotics, so i submitte4d that. my vet is staying away from an fsf diagnosis (or was) until there are more episodes. my feeling is that if the insurance company suspects fsf, they will call it congenital and not cover it.

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Mandy, Tugg and Circe

Miles "Forever Loved" 9/24/07-01/31/11